Talk:Igor Štimac

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He signed for Derby in 1995 for £1,570,000 and was a fans favourate. He scored 3 goals in 93 appearances. He then joined West Ham in 1999 for £600,000 before leaving in 2001.
(Unsigned comment 17:12, 18 July 2006 82.24.135.215)

His Name and Pronunciation

His sir name is Štimać not Štimac. Its in Serbo-Croatian language, the pronounciation of a simple "c" (which is a K sound) is different from "ć" (which is a CH or SH sound) in the Serbo-Croatian Language, like all other croatian name "Ivan Rakitić" , "Luka Modrić" or "Ivan Perišić" or "Danijel Subašić" or "Andrej Kramarić" or "Lovre Kalinić" endless croatian name, it never ends with "C" its always ends with "ć" coz the pronounciation is different. More than that he never pronounce his name as Igor "STEEMAK" rathr Igor "STEEMASH" which itself shows its not "C". If anyone want to move page again first discuss here. Dey subrata (talk) 21:20, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of surnames that end with a "C", and Štimac is one of them. [1] [2] Tzowu (talk) 21:50, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea which is correct but can we come to an orderly consensus and not keep renaming the article back and forwards? Thanks.--Egghead06 (talk) 04:57, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No in Serbo-Croatian language there is no sound "C", the phonetics of this language are different. If you consider Indian languages bengali hindi or sanskrit have larger phonetics many different sound, but english laguage have 44 phonetics with those sound words can be made. Similarly, Serbo-Croatian language does not have the phonetic sound of "C" which is kind of "K" when used at the end, for "K" sound they directly use "K" only. So use of simple "C" at end means using "K" sound which itself does not need in the language when they use "K"ALPHABET. I am a polyglot, I know different languages. Like another example in Portuguese or Spanish you will often find the alphabet "J" but the phonetic sound of it is not "ZEE" but rather "HH"... the name in english "Javier" pronounced as "Havier" in mexican or portuguese. Similarly in Croactian language or serbian it never ends with "C" but Cyrillic ⟨С́⟩ for the phonemic sequences "sj", phonetically as [ɕ]. And I have given end number of examples of Croatian sirname, it will never end with "c" because they don't have that sound in their language. Its simple simple as that. Dey subrata (talk) 07:10, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Secondly, "C" cannot sound like "SH" OR "TZ" if used at end, can it no... only Cyrillic ⟨С́⟩ can pronounce like that. In USA croatian with such sirname use "STIMATZ" because in english we don't use Cyrillic, which it self shows the pronounciation. Dey subrata (talk) 07:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

His surname is Štimac, with "Š" pronounced like "SH" and "C" pronounced like "TZ". Look at the links I added, and how his surname is pronounced on this interview on youtube [3].Tzowu (talk) 20:07, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You yourself proved it now, by providing that video link, his sirname pronounced as "TZ" at end, the letter "C" does not sound "TZ", never PERIOD, its "K" and only Cyrillic С́ sound like "TZ" . Do you understand. Dey subrata (talk) 21:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think its better can be concluded now, from the provided video proof that since his sirname pronounce as "STEE..MATZ" so "Štimac" cannot be used as in english language words end with a simple "C" pronounce as "K" not "TZ" and "Štimać" should be used instead as a Cyrillic " С́ " pronounce as "TZ". Thus moving the page to the justified name. Dey subrata (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What does a Cyrillic letter have with English language and how will it help an average reader pronounce his surname? "C" is pronounced like "TZ" in Croatian, and that is obviously his surname. The pronounciation is next to his surname in the lead section for anyone who is interested in it. Tzowu (talk) 18:29, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly "C" is pronounced as "TZ" in Croatia, this article is not for Croatia, this article is for every people in this world. Do you understand. In English we don't pronounce "C" as "TZ" rather use " С́ " so that an english speaker can easily understand the pronounciation is "TZ" not "K". This article is not for Croatia only, its for th world, every one coming to wikipedia. Now don't make fool out of yourself, I never argued with someone with somuch less iq in my life, after making understand them again and again, day 1 I have given you example of Ivan Rakitić" , "Luka Modrić" or "Ivan Perišić" or "Danijel Subašić" or "Andrej Kramarić" or "Lovre Kalinić" all are croatian, there name use " С́ " only and only because of the pronounciation. Now don't fooling around again and again. Dey subrata (talk) 08:46, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Modrić, Rakitić, Kramarić, etc., are surnames written in their original form in Croatian. They use a "Ć", not a "С́ ". "Ć" is a letter of the Croatian language, those are not surnames that were adjusted to the English language. Tzowu (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

His name is Štimac per Croatian language sources, and pronounced Shtee-mats, not Shtee-motch. Here's Jutarnji, one of the largest Croatian papers in the country, which uses c, č and ć in text interchangeably. [4] Those are three separate letters in Croatian. C is pronounced ts in English, č is pronounced ch, and ć is pronounced tch. The "ć" tells you to pronounce the name tch, not ts, in Croatian. Do not move this page again. SportingFlyer T·C 03:23, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we are not arm chair linguist. WP:COMMONNAME applies, please list out the spelling of his surname in Croatian-language source (newspaper, notable website) as well as more importantly, English source. Matthew hk (talk) 18:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Early life and personal life

This article have absolutely nothing about the subject's early life, where he was born, his parents and schooling? Someon should write about it. Tesla car owner (talk) 18:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]